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Dec 8, 20216 min read

Ghislaine Maxwell Trial Day 8

Updated: Jan 12, 2022

Dec 8th




OK - it's US v. #GhislaineMaxwell Day 8, starting late due to juror with slow MTA subway, day after US announced it will or may rest its case this week



Judge Nathan: We still have to wait for our juror who has substantial train issues. I'll step down off the bench. Clerk: All rise! Thread will continue. Or really, start, when juror arrives.



OK - Juror has arrived, 45 minutes late. All rise! Next witness: Janine Gill-Velez of Florida Property Management (that is, Mar-a-Lago).



Assistant US Attorney: How long have you worked at Mar-A-Lago? Gill-Velez: 15 years. AUSA: So this is exhibit 823-r, redacted [for the public]. It's a personal action notice, the hiring of Sky Roberts in April 2000.



[That is what the US wanted to establish, the hiring of Sky Roberts. So now, cross-exam] Maxwell's lawyer Bobbi Sternheim: But you have no personal knowledge of the hiring, correct? Gill: Correct. Sternheim: No further questions. Judge Nathan: Next witness, "Sean."



Judge Nathan: This witness will testify only as Shawn, to protect anonymity of previous witness [Carolyn]. No exact likeness in drawing. Witness: I'm S-H-A-W-N. That sealed exhibit has my full name. AUSA: How old are you? Shawn: 38. Some college. I'm a salesman.



AUSA: What was the first name of your girlfriend? Shawn: Carolyn. She was 14, I was 17. We dated four or five years. She worked at Arby's, and she worked for Jeffrey Epstein. AUSA: How did she meet Epstein? Shawn: Through Virginia Roberts.



AUSA: What's the difference between Palm Beach & West Palm Beach? Shawn: Money -- Maxwell's lawyer: Objection! Judge Nathan: Sustained. AUSA Maurene Comey: Did you go to Palm Beach much? Shawn: No. I didn't have enough money to buy anything in the gas station there



AUSA: How long did Carolyn stay in Jeffrey's house? Shawn: An hour. Or an hour and five minutes. AUSA: How were the session set up? Shawn: They would call my phone: Sarah and a lady with a foreign accent. One was English and one almost French.


AUSA Comey: Did Carolyn mention anyone else? Shawn: Maxwell. She couldn't pronounce the first name. AUSA: Did she get a gift? Shawn: From FedEx. Lingerie and a movie. From New York. AUSA: Did you go to Epstein's with anyone else? Shawn: Melissa and Amanda Laslow



AUSA: How old was Amanda when you saw her go to Epstein's house? Shawn: 15. Maxwell's lawyer: Objection!



SIDE NOTE

Thanks. So far so good with Twitter (though they declined to verify Inner City Press, go figure). But I *have* been censored & still banned by the United Nations https://pressfreedomtracker.us/all-incidents/independent-journalist-matt-lee-forcibly-removed-un-stripped-press-credentials/… Oh & the patreon has my middle name, too: https://patreon.com/MatthewRussellLee


Replying to @celinedryan @IanFelipeSays and @innercitypress

They will probably be banned and censored soon also. At least they have their own website. Inner city press dot com or follow Matthew Lee on patreon



#CourtCaseCast: In #GhislaineMaxwell Trial, Survivor Carolyn's Boyfriend Shawn Waited For Her At Epstein's Gate, Hundred Dollar Bills and Mar-A-Lago Records, Ends Approaches- story:



Here's the podcast. Jury finally back & US introduced exhibits - under seal. Inner City Press will keep live tweeting - while trying to cover a criminal proceeding in EDNY court in Brooklyn which has a call-in line, denied in



AUSA: In this sealed exhibit, do you see that Carolyn called Epstein's house? A: I do. AUSA: Now that we're looking at this [sealed] Government Exhibit, it says "Carolyn," right? A: Right.



Next witness is Epstein's second pilot, Mister Rogers. AUSA: Who did you work for until 2019? Rogers: Jeffrey Epstein. As a pilot, since 1999. I was hired in Columbus, Ohio.



Rogers: We mostly flew between his houses. From 1991 he had a smaller plane, then a Gulfstream. Then a Cesna 421 followed by the Boeing 727... AUSA: On the Gulfstream, what divider was there? Rogers: A door, always closed.



Rogers: I kept a log book. Including passenger names. AUSA: We offer the log book - as a sealed exhibit.


NOTE: Rogers' log book, as shown on the screen, has the entire column of passenger named redacted or blacked out. Press question: Is there really a reasonable expectation of privacy for flying on the private jet of a pedophile?


AUSA: How did you find out the names of the passengers? Rogers: Sometimes we'd be told. AUSA: Would you always know? Rogers: No.



#Maximum Maxwell Day 8 midday livestream Foley Square, after witness Shawn and now pilot, log book redacted

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1vAxRkenbbNKl

https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1468644291593580555?s=20




OK - jury's set to come back in, Ghislaine Maxwell in red sweater siddled over to whisper in lawyer's ear, here's quick midday stand-up from Foley Square outside the courthouse, something of a curtain raiser..



FINALLY, jury back in their chairs. AUSA: Mr. Rogers, please turn in your binder to GX 12. Without saying the name out loud, is that the name of a passenger on Mr. Epstein's plane? Rogers: Yes.



AUSA: Let's look back at sealed exhibit 662, at page 44. Flight number 916... Who drove passengers to the plane in Palm Beach? Rogers: Juan Alessi.




AUSA: And this flight? Rogers: From Palm Beach to New Jersey. Jane was on the flight. By first name. AUSA: Are there others on the flight? Rogers: Yes. AUSA: Let's move to another flight. [Who else was on not disclosed, nor asked on direct]



AUSA: Flight 818. Rogers: Van Nuys CA to Santa Fe NM, only Jeffrey on the flight.


AUSA: How many times do you remember Virginia Roberts flying on Jeffrey Epstein's planes? Rogers: Thirty two (32) times.



AUSA: This flight to St. Thomas - were Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Virginia Roberts passengers?? Rogers: Yes. AUSA: And was there one other person on the flight? Rogers: Yes. AUSA: Let's move to another flight [The additional passenger UNdisclosed]


AUSA: And this flight? Rogers: From Spain to Tangier, Morocco. [Epstein and Maxwell on the flight]



side note

In fairness, the prosecutors can't put a defendant on the stand. She'd have to decide to do that herself. It's relatively rarely done. And a question is, does the US truncating or shortening its case make it even less likely Maxwell sees the need to testify?

Replying to @innercitypress

This court case barely even talks about Maxwell and what she did. What’s the point? Put her on the stand and ask her questions. Bring the heat AUSA!



Now cross examination of pilot David Rogers. Maxwell's lawyer: Sometimes the cockpit door would be open and you could see the passengers, right? Rogers: Correct. Maxwell's lawyer: And you did that sometimes, yes? Rogers: Yes.

Maxwell's lawyer: You never found in the cabin any sex toys or used condoms, right? Rogers: No I did not.



Maxwell's lawyer: Isn't it common to own private planes through companies, one company per plane to limit liability, right? Rogers: Yes. Judge Nathan: Let's take our mid afternoon break. [What is being accomplished by this cross examination?] Thread will continue.



They're back, with Maxwell's lawyer Everdell still flaying around on cross examination. Everdell: Mr. Rogers, you know the real name of Jane, don't you? Judge Nathan: Without saying it. Rogers: Yes.


Everdell: But Epstein had an assistant with the same first name as Jane's real first name, didn't he? Rogers: Yes. [Note: This is another way of outing or doxing]



Everdell: And Eva Dubin was on this flight, and her husband is a hedge fund manager who was an Epstein client? Rogers: I don't know.


Everdell: So these trips to Columbus, Ohio, that's where Leslie Wexner lives, right, the owner of The Limited? Rogers: Yes. Everdell: And Mr. Wexner is a billionaire, Jeffrey Epstein's client? Rogers: Yes.



Everdell: And you never saw Annie Farmer in your planes, or your logs? Rogers: I did not. Everdell (after a time) I though it was later than it is. Judge Nathan: It just feels that way.



Maxwell's lawyer Everdell: Now Mr. Visoski -- Judge Nathan: It's Mr. Rogers. Everdell: [Uncomfortable laugh]



Now at the end, more on scheduling. Judge Nathan: I would prefer to not do the charging conference Friday (in 9 days) in case you don't have a case going that day... Given the expedition of the Government's case, maybe we can use Friday for charging.


Judge Nathan: I'm comfortable letting the defense begin its case on Thursday (in 8 days). The result may be that the jury has (this) Friday off as well. [Things are moving FAST...]



#CourtCaseCast PM: In #GhislaineMaxwell Trial, Epstein's Pilot Rogers Puts Ghislaine, Virginia &Another On Plane After Plane, Ending Approaches-

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